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Cstone

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Hello, I am trying to find out if anyone has ever run into this problem or knows a good solution for it. I hike about twice a week and own a pair of Lowa, vasque and scarpa boots as well as a couple pairs of lighter trail shoes, but I really prefer heavier your more supportive boots. I have a problem with the lace of my boot catching on the backward facing open eyelet hook(for the laces) of my opposite foot when my feet pass each other. In the last five years I have fallen from this four times and when I fall I fall extremely hard and broke my arm pretty severely once and injured my hip in another fall. It happens extremely unexpectedly and my feet are essentially tied together. I know that I have an unusually narrow gate base and that my feet past closer when I walk to one another than the average person. I always talk my laces into the boot is much as I can between the tongue and the edge of the boot, which causes some pressure points that I can get over but this sometimes works its way out after walking a couple hours and this is when I fall. I have also tried talking the laces back under the tied laces  like cyclists do to keep their laces out of their chain but to be able to get the lace under the tied lace I cannot lace my boots comfortably tight.I was is a figure skater and had this problem there as well and always wore over the state tights to keep my laces away. I have cut up a couple pair of skating tights and used them over the top of my boot on occasion and they ended up shredded and not completely useful by the end of a hike, plus they run about $20 a pair and I could not afford to use a pair every time I went hiking. I have bought three different pair of gaiters and for some reason they absolutely drive me crazy in their bulkiness. Because my feet do you pass close together the excess material always kind of rubs the other boot and makes noise and I know it's probably stupid but that along with the general bulk on my feet just drives me crazy after a couple hours of walking especially with the silence. Hiking is how I get away from stress but it just sets off a sensory annoyance that builds and builds and stresses me out a lot more than getting out to hike de-stresses  me. I have also tried turning my socks down over the top of my boot but have just completely ruined quite a few pair of nice hiking socks when seeds and burs get so tangled in the looser looping of the inside lining of the sock and are absolutely impossible to remove.  this sock trick is a perfectly good solution in certain seasons and for certain trails though. I want to know if anyone has run into this problem and knows some sort of solution that I'm not thinking of or a product that would solve this, they make tight fitting neoprene figure skate covers that would be absolutely perfect if they fit over my hiking boots and didn't have the issue of the Tye in  under the skate. Is there any sort of tight close fitting gaiter available that would cover this top part of my boot or some sort of boot cover that would do the same thing possibly even that is meant for some other sport or discipline that I could just make do with that anyone has come across? I have also extensively searched for any type of these eyelets that are closed and maybe clip and somehow or sit extremely close to the boot but I do not know the technical name of this boot feature so searches have yielded very little. I've asked two cobblers if they could remove them and put in grommet eyelets and they both told me that just the way the ankle boots were made it definitely would not provide ideal support anymore and would make the boot break it down much more quickly and neither of them knew of closed Eyelets avalable. This is an issue that I feel like I have reasonably solved and I have tried to think of every option and I often forget about it but when my methods fail it can be extremely catastrophic. I usually hike alone and a good portion of most of the trails I take do not have phone service, I hadnt fallen in probably a year and a half but fell again this morning and know that I obviously just need to start wearing the gaiters that bother me and get over it but wanted to see if anyone had any other solutions because I would prefer not to wear them. Thank you for your time

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Aaron Zagrodnick

Welcome to the forum Cstone, sounds like quite a predicament! I have not had this issue as I'm either in trail runners or wearing something with gaiters in the winter and snow, but I think I might try either longer or shorter laces if you haven't experiemented yet there - for either shorter loops less likely to snag, or with enough length to find a way to wrap the laces around the ankle and tuck them in on an opposite side. I would think the laces should be loose enough to make that happen and/or the padding in this portion of the boot would allow for this.

Otherwise or in addition, perhaps crimping the lace hook in a bit could help? I know you said you prefer boots, and I was able to find a mid-height option in the Keen Aphlex that could help at least from the photos shown on that page...perhaps long pants that fit over your boots, or a softer fabric gaiter like the Dirty Girl option should make less noise (if they fit on your boot). Also came across an entirely different approach with something I have no experience with in a product called TacLaces, although they do use Velcro and if your socks turned over the laces solution was picking up too much debris in your case that could be something to watch out with the TacLace system as well. 

Good luck!

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Stepbystep

It's never been a recurring problem for me but that brings back a couple funny memories for me when the same thing happened...my falls were soft, though, other than the weight of my pack on top of me.  My first thought echoes Aarons...bend in the hook a little if it looks like that will help.  Do it carefully so they don't crack (they're tough, but they can break, especially if you have to "unbend" them or do so repeatedly).  Sounds like you have cobblers at your disposal - less and less common these days - but that's a hassle and expense to replace those silly pieces of hardware.  Another simple DIY option to tuck your laces without the drawbacks you mentioned might be a simple small shock cord loop with a cordlock, attached to lower laces or maybe on an "outside" eyelet...feed your lace loops through and snug the cordlock.  Haven't tried that but it seems simple enough. 

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Yellowstone

Hi Cstone. I've had that happen to me. It is dangerous and scary! I've triple or quadruple knotted my laces to shorten them and that has helped. Wearing long pants as well, has helped as it keeps the laces under the pant legs. I also wear various gaiters. OR has some tighter fitting gaiters. I assume that Dirty Girl Gaiters might either be too small for the boots or wear out too quickly, but you could give those a look.

https://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/ultra-trail-gaiters-32654.html

https://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/stamina-gaiters.html

https://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/sparkplug-gaiters.html

https://dirtygirlgaiters.com/

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Anne Ord

In reply to CSTONE,

Six years ago I had an accident on a walking holiday where my hooks attached themselves to each other.  I hit the ground at speed face first, breaking teeth and injuring my shoulder.   It cost me plenty in emergency dentist bills but I was grateful it wasn’t worse.  The day before I was at the top of Malham Cove, in Yorkshire and I dread to think what the outcome would have been had the accident happened there.  I thought the whole incident was a fluke as I’ve been a serious walker for over 40 years.  I accepted, mainly due to the teasing of others, that somehow I walk differently to other people.   I got rid of those boots, and bought others - a different make, still with hooks. I walk a few days every week, nothing major as I’m nearing 70 but depending on the terrain anything from 4- 10 miles at time.  

Moving on to my point.  I had a similar accident yesterday.  Walking with my husband less than a mile from home.  Again my lace or hook on one boot attached itself to the other…. The speed at which you fall is far greater than when you trip or stumble on uneven ground.  I was on a pavement, so landed hard on my face. Luckily this time I didn’t damage my teeth This time it was my forehead, nose, shoulder, hands and knees.   As my husband was with me he expressed his amazement at the suddenness of it all, whereas before, he thought like everyone else, that  it was me being careless.  

Needless to say this has changed how I feel about hooks on boots.  No longer was it a fluke, for it to happen twice is telling me that it’s a problem.   Only through researching for new boots have I come across other people here and overseas who’ve had similar accidents.  Hearing this has made me realise that it’s worse than I first realised.   This isn’t just walkers, it’s people wearing safety boots at work.  There’s even a company who have a campaign to get these hooks banned.   

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